Gwen @buttonsandfluff 
It patently obvious that GC women have never sat down and socialised with trans women.
I've sat at tables full of men
I've sat at tables full of women.
The vibe is distinctly different. Every woman knows this difference.
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Gwen @buttonsandfluff And when I hang out with trans women, it's like hanging out with cis women. Just a table of women having a drink and chatting.
And that distinct shift when there's a man at the table? It isn't there. Because trans women are women.
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Gwen @buttonsandfluff This is one reason why the "men in dresses" thing riles me up no end. They have clearly never been in a chill social situation with a trans woman.
I have some cis men friends who wear dresses and make up. They're men. It's different.
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Quinn Pearse Brown 
@QuinnPBrown @buttonsandfluff @BellaRizinti and I spent time at Sparkle last year sat round a table with trans women and it was like any other meeting. I'm a trans man, I was very comfortable in that setting. Izzy is a cis lesbian, she too was also very comfortable.
Izzy Rizinti @BellaRizinti @QuinnFootieFan @buttonsandfluff It was one of my all time favourite weekends.
I totally agree with Gwen too. It's an entirely different vibe sitting with women friends than it is with men. My trans women friends fall FIRMLY in the women category and anyone who says otherwise is talking nonsense.
Molly
@biscuit_heid @buttonsandfluff Sad that they need that interaction to understand Trans people deserve rights. I've never (to my knowledge obviously) sat down/socialised with a Trans woman, I have with Trans men and non binary folk but not Trans women. I still know they deserve rights and respect. It's insane
Otto Lontra @OttoLontra @buttonsandfluff @CaseyExplosion Can you elaborate for me on the vibe difference?
Not picking a fight, genuinely curious as some whose idea of socialization is reading a book on the same couch as somebody else.
𝓙𝓸𝓬𝓮𝓵𝔂𝓷 ⚢
@TwippingVanilla @OttoLontra @buttonsandfluff @CaseyExplosion It's like... when there is a man present, women hold back. Tongues are held, emotions are restrained (even joy), topics are avoided. They don't act like themselves.
Men do it too. A group of guys will be more jovial and easy going in an all male setting vs if a woman is around.
𝓙𝓸𝓬𝓮𝓵𝔂𝓷 ⚢ @TwippingVanilla @OttoLontra @buttonsandfluff @CaseyExplosion And then one on one, oh wow is it different. When I presented male, women would often avoid trying to talk to me beyond courtesy. Now they strike up random conversations and make idle jokes. There is a sisterhood, and either you're in it, or you aren't.
𝓙𝓸𝓬𝓮𝓵𝔂𝓷 ⚢ @TwippingVanilla @OttoLontra @buttonsandfluff @CaseyExplosion Men would treat me with a kind of respect, before. I was assumed to know things, I was seen as a peer.
Now, I'm assumed to be ignorant. I am "other". If I'm not a subject of interest, I don't exist.